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Casino.guru's complaint services are a complete joke. You can forget about them solving anything you can't solve yourself. I have to say that I really liked this site and over time I developed trust in it. This turned out to be completely the opposite. They support the casinos, no doubt about it.

I filed a complaint about Slotmonster Casino.

I initially had an account with Slotmonster, played, and lost a lot. Then I opened an account on Instantcasino, Slotmonster's sister site. I also played there and lost a lot. I wrote an email stating that I was addicted to gambling and explained the negative impact gambling had on my life. I ASKED THE CASINO TO CLOSE MY ACCOUNT PERMANENTLY ON INSTAWIN AND ALL SISTER SITES. I then received an email that the accounts were closed. BUT the next day, I could still open my account on Slotmonster and continue losing money. Those of us who have been playing at casinos for a few years KNOW that when you write to a casino saying you are addicted to gambling and ASK them to CLOSE your account on ALL their sister sites, that should be enough. That should be the end of the story and the accounts should be closed.

Apparently, Casino.guru doesn't think this is enough. Apparently, you have to write to every single casino within their group.

I noticed very early on that I had a case they didn't want to take. I mean, it took 1.5 weeks with a lot of questions that had already been answered.

I just want to say that I'm totally fine with it. The money is lost anyway. But for those of you thinking about filing a complaint through this site, you're just wasting your time. I will never visit this site again. I'll copy how I wrote to the casino and how I should have written according to Casino.guru.

Here is how i wrote.

Hello friends!

I would like to ask you to close my account with you and all your sister sites.

I am a gambling addict and have been playing casino games since 2010. Along the way, I have not only lost over 300k euros, but I have also lost friends, family, children, and everything that matters. I gamble not to win money but due to my addiction. Even if I won a million, I would still keep gambling. I lost myself a long time ago.

Could you please close my account? Thank you.

Thank you for reading. Best regards.

jag skulle vilja tacka casino.guru för min tid här. Jag vill också gärna att ni raderar mitt konto.

This behavior of curaco casinos in responsible gambling is incomprehensible, and I completely agree with you that when you ask to block sister sites this should be enough. In my opinion, casinoguru should also take this more seriously, if the player requests the blocking of sister sites, it must also be set.

however, curaco casinos and casinoguru justify that curaco casinos and sister sites operate with a separate license, this is a complete lie. All sister sites have the same license, same employees, same management, same mailbox. They have just found a loophole to take more money from problem gamblers even though they are screaming and asking for help.

I have my own personal experience with this, I asked curaco casino to block the sister site as well, I ended up on the sister site and my account got locked, I asked why the account got locked? I got the answer "because you asked our sister site to block you from all our casinos because of a gambling problem" I said clearly who is your sister site" the customer service took a long time to answer and I got the answer "we don't have sister sites, your gaming account is open" I was confused because they really have sister sites and they cooperate closely and the block message did reach them until they realized that they could get money from me. Incomprehensibly.

the saddest thing about this is that the casino guru takes this very lightly. Each of us knows that we players never get in touch with curaco's licensing authority let alone player protection/security in our problems. The casino always wins.

let's also mention the fact, in the terms of use of every curaco casino, there is a mention that we can cancel all your deposits and winnings "you may not register if you are a gambling addict"

Tämä curacon kasinoiden toiminta vastuullisessa uhkapelaamisessa on käsittämätöntä, ja olen täysin samaa mieltä sinun kanssasi että kun pyydät sisarsivustojen estoa tämän pitäisi riittää. Mielestäni casinogurussa tähän pitäisi myös suhtautua vakavemmin, jos pelaaja pyytää sisarsivustojen estoa myös se on asetettava.

kuitenkin curacon kasinot sekä casinoguru perustelee että curacon kasinot ja sisarsivut toimivat erillisellä lisenssillä, tämä on täysi vale. Kaikilla sisarsivustoilla on sama lisenssi, samat työntekijät, sama johto, sama postilaatikko. Ne ovat vaan löytäneet porsaanreijän viedä ongelmapelaajilta enemmän rahaa vaikka he huutavat ja pyytävät apua.

Minulla on tästä oma henkilökohtainen kokemus, pyysin curacon kasinolta sisarsivuston estoa myös, päädyin sisarsivustolle ja tilini meni lukkoon kysyin miksi tili meni lukkoon? Sain vastauksen, "koska pyysit meidän sisarsivustoa sulkemaan sinut kaikilta meidän kasinoilta uhkapeliongelman takia" sanoin selvä, kuka on sisarsivustosi" asiakaspalvelijalla kesti pitkään vastata ja sain vastauksen "meillä ei ole sisarsivustoja, pelitilisi on auki" olin hämmentynyt, koska heillä tosiaan on sisarsivustoja ja he tekevät tiiviisti yhteistyötä ja sulkuviesti kyllä tavoitti heidät kunnes he tajusivat, että voisivat saada rahaa minusta. Käsittämätöntä.

surullisinta tässä asiassa on se, että casinoguru suhtautuu tähän todella kevyesti. Jokainen meistä tietää me pelaajat emme koskaan saa curacon lupaviranomaiseen yhteyttä saatika pelaajasuojaa/ turvaa ongelmissamme. Kasino voittaa aina.

mainittakoon vielä se tosiasia, jokaisen curaco kasinon käyttöehdoissa on maininta voimme mitätöidä kaikki talletuksesi sekä voittosi "et saa rekisteröityä jos olet peliriippuvainen "

I also know from experience after many many years of gambling that if I had won more than I put in I would not have gotten the money out. Winwin for the casino. Very disappointed with this "case closed" but when something sounds too good to be true, it is.

Jag vet också av erfarenhet efter många många år av spelande att om jag hade vunnit mer än vad jag satt in så hade jag inte fått ut pengarna. Winwin för casinot. Mycket besviken på detta "case closed" men när något låter för bra för att vara sant så är det också det.

I have nothing personal against the casinoguru, the only thing I would like would be the casinoguru's attitude towards responsible gambling at curaco casinos. When one complaint is resolved in favor of the player, where the player has requested the blocking of sister sites, the results will definitely start to be seen in other casino groups as well and they will start implementing the players' requests.

Minulla ei ole mitään henkilökohtaista casinogurua vastaan, ainoa mitä toivoisin olisi casinogurun suhtautuminen curaco casinoiden vastuulliseen pelaamiseen. Kun yksi valitus ratkaistaan pelaajan hyväksi missä pelaaja on pyytänyt sisarsivustojen estoa, niin alkaa näkymään varmasti tuloksia myös muissa kasinoryhmissä ja he alkavat toteuttamaan pelaajien pyyntöjä.

I would say that Kristina has explained to you what the conditions are and how it works here. So according to your complaint " We determined that the player did not directly inform SlotMonster Casino about his gambling problem before depositing." Also, it is always necessary to self-exclude at every casino unless it is stated in the Terms and Conditions that if you do it at one casino it also applies to sister casinos. 

The second thing that struck me is that you talk about closing the account. That's different than self-exclusion. 

After all, if you close your account, in some casinos it's not hard at all to open a new one just by changing your email. 

So in the future I would definitely recommend to stick to doing it right and always find out how self-exclusion works because it's not the same in every casino. 

Also, I'm sorry that you have this opinion towards us, because we appreciate every single player who is here and tries to communicate with other players about gambling or to help. 

I wish it would have turned out differently. 

If the sister casinos ever lure you to them to play even if you are self-excluded, it certainly wouldn't be okay with us. I find your situation you described strange from the point of view that first the casino says you have a self-exclusion block on a sister site and then says it doesn't have any sister sites. That's pretty shady. 

Anyway, you gave a great example that it can work differently in every casino. There are many of them that won't accept self-exclusion unless you do it at that particular one. We don't think it's enough to write an email to one of them to self-exclude you at the other until it's made clear in the Terms and Conditions that it applies to sister sites as well. 

So it is important to also look at it from this point of view. We have experts who deal with cases like this on a daily basis, so it's definitely not something we take lightly, I can assure you. Responsible gambling is an important thing for us, but players also have to abide by some rules and we have procedures that we also follow. 

If you have had experience with casinos with this license and there have been more where there have been problems, then I don't see why you should continue to play there. 

That's probably what I would add.  

Thanks Jaro, my opinion of casinoguru is good. I'd just like the curaco casinos to be more serious about responsible gambling. But of course this is my own opinion. I have discussed this "opinion" with a curacao lawyer because I can briefly tell you about one of my appeals, which I won with the help of a curacao lawyer.

1. I sent an e-mail to the casino operating in Curacao asking for a game ban and sister casinos to be banned due to a game problem.
2. the casino blocked me only from the page where I asked to be blocked, did not block the sister sites despite my request.
3. the casino has long claimed that they operate under their own license and have no sister sites. (As they always say) which is a complete Lie everyone should get to know and familiarize themselves more with curaco casinos, their company, and sister sites. One company runs several sites, with the same license number, the same company, the same management. This is a sister site. This was easily proven.
4. After this, the casino started inventing new things, we don't share the same database. Although curaco casinos have their own conditions, their license requires communication with sister sites and player protection.
5. so if you ask sister sites to be blocked they also have to follow curaco's license terms and fulfill the player's request. The curaco license differs from the mga license in that the mga license automatically requires one casino to be blocked due to game addiction from all the operator's casinos automatically, curaco does not, but if you specifically ask curaco casino to block you on sister sites as well, how to interpret the rules where it says curaco casinos must cooperate with sister sites and minimize gaming addiction.
6. I won the case, of course, thanks to the lawyer, and I got a direct comment from him "this is their loophole that they are trying to take advantage of"

now I would like to give a little weight to the casinoguru's policy, where you have to request each casino separately, this is theoretically impossible because a player who is a problem player would have to sit on the internet 24/7 watching because a new sister site opens, whether the player is strong enough to send a blocking request or if he will rather start playing. I can say the last option is the most common, and the most real.

Kiitos Jaro, mielipiteeni casinogurusta on kyllä hyvä. Toivoisin vaan curaco kasinoiden vastuullisen pelaamiseen suhtautumista vakavemmin. Mutta tämä on toki oma mielipiteeni. Tästä "mielipiteestä" olen keskustellut curacon lakimiehen kanssa koska voin lyhyesti kertoa sinulle yhden valituksestani jonka voitin curacossa toimivan lakimiehen avulla.

1. lähetin curacossa toimivalle kasinolle sähköpostia pyytäen peliestoa sekä sisarkasinoiden estoa peliongelman takia.
2. kasino sulki minut ainoastaan siltä sivulta minne estoa pyysin, ei sulkenut sisarsivustoja pyynnöstäni huolimatta.
3. kasino väitti pitkään, että he toimivat omalla lisenssillään ja heillä ei ole sisarsivustoja. (Niinkuin he aina sanovatkin) joka on täysi vale jokaisen pitäisi tutustua ja perhetyä enemmän curacon kasinoihin, heidän yritykseen, ja sisarsivustoihin. Yksi yritys pyörittää useampaa sivustoa, samalla lisenssinumerolla, samalla yrityksellä, samalla johdolla. Tämä on sisarsivusto. Tämä saatiin todistettua helposti.
4. Tämän jälkeen kasino alkoi keksimään uusia asioita, emme jaa samaa tietokantaa. Vaikka curacon kasinoilla on omat ehtonsa heidän lisenssi vaatii sisarsivustojen kanssa kommunikointia ja pelaajasuojaa.
5. joten jos sinä pyydät sisarsivustojen sulkua myös heidän on noudatettava curacon lisenssin ehtoja ja toteutettava pelaajan pyyntö. Curacon lisenssi eroaa mga lisenssistä niin, että mga lisenssi vaatii automaattisesti yhden kasinon sulun peliriippuvaisuuden takia kaikilta operaattorin kasinoilta automaattisesti, curacon ei, mutta jos pyydät nimenomaisesti curacon kasinoa estämään sinut myös sisarsivustoilla, miten tulkita säännöt missä sanotaan curaco kasinoiden on tehtävä yhteistyötä sisarsivustoiden kanssa ja minimoida peliriippuvuus.
6. Voitin tapauksen tietenkin lakimiehen ansiosta ja sain suoranaisesti häneltä kommentin " tämä on heidän porsaanreikä mitä he yrittävät käyttää hyväksi"

nyt haluaisin antaa vähän painoarvoa casinogurun politiikalle, jossa sinun pitää pyytää jokaista kasinoa erikseen, tämä on teoriteettisesti mahdotonta koska pelaaja joka on ongelmapelaaja joutuisi 24/7 istumaan internetissä seurailemassa koska uusi sisarsivusto aukeaa, onko pelaaja niin vahva lähettääkseen estopyynnön vai sortuuko hän ennemmin pelaamaan. Voin sanoa viimeisin vaihtoehto on yleisin, ja todellisin.

Let's say you go to Betsson, Unibet, Bet365 and say, "I am addicted to gambling, I have lost everything meaningful in life."

Do you think these casinos would see it as "just a closure" on one occasion, or would they really take it seriously and understand what it's about? Do you think I would be able to reactivate my account there again?

You also seem to have a very simplistic personal opinion about my use of the word "close" instead of "exclude." If this is indeed a personal opinion, I find it quite lacking in empathy. Personally, I would have been affected by such a message and understood that this person wants to and should stop gambling. I would have simply understood that he means he wants to close the account permanently.

On the other hand, if I were completely without empathy, I would have rubbed my hands together and said, "Yes, I found a little reason to take advantage of this guy even more and take some more money from him because he only said 'close.'"

no changed email or other information. This is not relevant in my case.🙂

ingen ändrade mail eller andra uppgifter. Detta är inte relevant i mitt case.🙂

Jag kan knappt förstår att av allt detta

Hello friends!

I would like to ask you to close my account with you and all your sister sites.

I am a gambling addict and have been playing casino games since 2010. Along the way, I have not only lost over 300k euros, but I have also lost friends, family, children, and everything that matters. I gamble not to win money but due to my addiction. Even if I won a million, I would still keep gambling. I lost myself a long time ago.

Could you please close my account? Thank you.

Thank you for reading. Best regards.

så var det 1 ord du reagerade på🤣 du förbisåg alla negativa sakerna. Jag kan helt ärligt inte förstå det..

Yes I understand what you are saying and in some cases it would probably not be the easiest. 

However, so many casinos in the same group don't come up every day. If one appears and you have the option to self-exclude from the whole group then it is easier, because this act should also apply to new casinos as well. 

But if this is not the case then unfortunately the player has to practice this process one by one. We can't control who has what Terms and how they handle these things and how seriously they take them. 

However, I know one thing for sure, if I had such an issue with the Curacao casinos I would never go to them to play, and I would only play in the ones that are reliable.

Your case you described is different from the last one in that you were basically tricked by the casino into believing that they didn't have sister sites, and that's a big difference. That's why I'd say you managed to win with the help of a lawyer, which I'm sure glad you did. 

Nevertheless, every case can be different, and sometimes even a small discrepancy can make a big difference, especially when it comes to responsible gambling. 

Dear player,

I have to say I dissagree with you on a few occassions. It's fair to say that the whole matter of the current state of the Self-Exclusion through out the industry is not convenient. There are huge differences between national laws and regulations making it pretty chalenging to exclude from various casinos.

Becuse of this, responsible player should never rely on his opinion or feelings insted, should accept how things actually works. Jaro alredy explained that, and I see no issue with his sesponses to you.

The sooner you understand how you need to behave when self excluding from casino, the sooner you will be succesfull in doing so. From our perspective, it would be highly irresponsible not to inform you about things you have not done correctly.

We are not here to blindly agree, we're here to explain things. The rest is up to you.

So no, in some casinos it's not enoughto say "I would like to ask you to close my account with you and all your sister sites." It's not that simple, in most cases you have inform each casino separately - depends on their rules and license, among other things.

I wish you no further harm, just try to learn from this situation, please.

I sympathize with you and I certainly didn't mean to take you at your word. In this case, however, there is a difference between closing an account and self-exclude. 

I would say that in honest casinos you shouldn't have a problem with that. If you want to be excluded you should do so and they should take it with the utmost seriousness. Don't ask why you want to do it and if your opinion will change for example with bonus and so on. There is a very fine line if a player is addicted and no casino should profit from it. Just like reopening an account. 

Although, having been in this business for a while, I can see that not every casino you would encounter the same solution. This will never be an excuse that if a casino doesn't take it seriously, that it's okay for us because it's not. 

But it's important to realize that not every casino is the same, and not every casino treats responsible gambling equally. That's why I was talking about the fact that unfortunately sometimes you have to self-exclude yourself from each casino individually even though you write to do it for the whole group. Of course, if it's not possible to do it for the whole group, then the casino could also tell you that it's not allowed and that you have to do it manually everywhere. 

I don't want you to take this as an attack against you, I'm just trying to explain what cases I've encountered and what is standard in most of casinos.

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So no, in some casinos it's not enough to say "I would like to ask you to close my account with you and all your sister sites." It's not that simple, in most cases you have to inform each casino separately - depends on their rules and license, among other things.

I would like to ask you to close my account with you and all your sister sites.

I am a gambling addict and have been playing casino games since 2010. Along the way, I have not only lost over 300k euros, but I have also lost friends, family, children, and everything that matters. I gamble not to win money but due to my addiction. Even if I won a million, I would still keep gambling. I lost myself a long time ago.

Could you please close my account? Thank you.

Thank you for reading. Best regards.

You think this is not enough? Okay, I understand, I respect your opinion. I just understand your position better. You could very well be one of these raw casinos with a clear conscience. I no longer care about this conplaint. It just saddens me to see that you are exactly the same as these people in costa rica.. you don't see me here anymore. Thank you and have a nice summer

So no, in some casinos it's not enoughto say "I would like to ask you to close my account with you and all your sister sites." It's not that simple, in most cases you have inform each casino separately - depends on their rules and license, among other things.

I would like to ask you to close my account with you and all your sister sites.

I am a gambling addict and have been playing casino games since 2010. Along the way, I have not only lost over 300k euros, but I have also lost friends, family, children, and everything that matters. I gamble not to win money but due to my addiction. Even if I won a million, I would still keep gambling. I lost myself a long time ago.

Could you please close my account? Thank you.

Thank you for reading. Best regards.

Du tycker detta är inte nog? Okej jag förstår jag respekterar din åsikt . Jag bara förstår din ståndpunkt bättre.Du skulle mycket väl kunna vara en i dessa råa casino med gott samvete. Jag bryr mig inte längre om den här conplainten. Det gör mig bara ledsen att se att du är exakt likadan som dessa personer på costa rica.. mig ser ni inte mer här. Tack och ha en fin sommar

I would say that would be enough for me personally. But for casinos, apparently not, and some standard and procedures and under what conditions they must have in context of self-exclusion. That's why I wrote what I wrote, because that's the experience of most players. 

For me it would be clear but I don't work in a casino and if I did and they told me that this was too weak for a slef-exclusion, I would probably have to listen. It's always best to look for information on this in the casino and how to self-exclude and you'll see that not every casino has the same policy. 

Of course, the best thing would be to be able to put it under the control and not play any more. 

You always have to learn from such a sad situation, and now you will know that not always what we think is clear is really so clear for everybody. 🙁